230ge sterter ring gear problem?
Hello every one .
I thought the breakdown of the starter motor, and exchanged it. However, I have not improved it.
The motor runs and the engine doesn't start.
The starter gear starts the engine because of an extreme noise sometimes
I surely think that the consumption of drive ring gear.
I try to remove the starter motor, and to confirm the drive gear from the space.
Besides, is there a problem :?:
please advise.
thanks
Hi Is your G automatic or manual transmission? you can inspect the ring gear for damage with the starter removed and the use of a screw driver to rotate the ring gear teeth past the starter mounting hole.. to repair/replace the ring gear the gearbox must be removed.....if your new starter has not the same number of teeth as the old one it will not engage and make a rasping noise....
Hello every one .
I thought the breakdown of the starter motor, and exchanged it. However, I have not improved it.
The motor runs and the engine doesn't start.
The starter gear starts the engine because of an extreme noise sometimes
I surely think that the consumption of drive ring gear.
I try to remove the starter motor, and to confirm the drive gear from the space.
Besides, is there a problem :?:
please advise.
thanks
I suspect you are right with your diagnosis - if it is not the starter, then probably the starter ring gear. Not that expensive on it's own, but the problem is to fit it, you need to remove the transmission, so expensive for labour.
I had a similar problem on the 300GE, if the engine rests in 1 of 2 locations (that were worn out) the starter would not engage. This thread has more pictures on how to inspect the ring gear without taking the transmission out, you need a small mirror, and someone turning the engine from the front by hand (slowly):
http://gwoa.co.uk/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1116&highlight=...
Hi. M2dxb
Is this a frequent problem in g series and merecdes?.Is the drive gear large amount of money?,It works for myself. Is it fast to unload the engine or transmission?,
Hi. M2dxb
Is this a frequent problem in g series and merecdes?.Is the drive gear large amount of money?,It works for myself. Is it fast to unload the engine or transmission?,
Hello Taka
I have only heard of it here on the forum happen to about 2 other people, so I wouldn't say it's a common problem with the G. If you give me the first 6 digits of your VIN I might be able to look up a part number/price (460xxx).
On the 300GE in the UK at a normal garage (non-dealer) it cost about £400 to get the job done (I supplied the parts).
A temporary soloution to your problem, next time the starter does not engage, if you have a manual transmission, engage top gear and push the a short distance forward or back ENSURING some one is in easy reach of either foot brake or hand brake in ccase of an emergency the vehicle does not or is not in danger of rolling away.
If you have an automatic, then lift your bonnet and try to turn the engine by hand from one of the pulleys, you will have better success if you could turn from the crankshaft pulley with a 27mm deep socket (that getting a bit invoved). You will soon find it is better to replace the starter ring gear.
Cheers,
Had the same problem with my 1983 230ge but rocking it enables you to get it started. I have since sold the car as I am afraid my house roof had to be replaced, so maybe later this year I will be looking for another.
Hello Taka
I have only heard of it here on the forum happen to about 2 other people, so I wouldn't say it's a common problem with the G. If you give me the first 6 digits of your VIN I might be able to look up a part number/price (460xxx).
Hello M2dxb
my 230ge VIN WDB460 238227057381
where you from?. your mercedes shop?.
I wait for the number and the amount of money to be shown.
Thanks
If you have an automatic, then lift your bonnet and try to turn the engine by hand from one of the pulleys, you will have better success if you could turn from the crankshaft pulley with a 27mm deep socket (that getting a bit invoved). You will soon find it is better to replace the starter ring gear.
Hello pston head
My 230is auto , I check the ring gear,
original suterter motor gear was 9,
Thanks
Had the same problem with my 1983 230ge but rocking it enables you to get it started. I have since sold the car as I am afraid my house roof had to be replaced, so maybe later this year I will be looking for another.
Hello.daveben
Did you sell it off without repairing?.g is small in my country.
where you from?.
Thanks
Hello M2dxb
my 230ge VIN WDB460 238227057381
where you from?. your mercedes shop?.
I wait for the number and the amount of money to be shown.
Thanks
Hello taka230,
According to the online Russian parts catalogue, your part is probably number 77 in the picture, as automatics have the flywheel/ring gear together as one piece (at least so I was told for the 300GE):
http://mb.neoriginal.ru/part/class/2/ccode/1/cat/370/type/102/subtype/98...
Couldn't look up the price on my usual website, but a google search reveals this, so you might be able to find it from a regular parts store or from a scrap yard?
http://www.importecwarehouse.com/Mercedes-Ring-Gear-Flywheel-Automatic-1...
On the number of teeth for the pinion gear, I remember the electrical specialist where I reconditioned the starter had 2 teeth numbers listed in his catalogue, both 9 AND 10, and he said both probably will work, but I preferred to replace it with what was in there to begin with.
I am from Dubai but live/study in the UK, so the shop in this case is in the UK. Let me know if you need any more details...
Hi First thing to do is remove the starter and using a pri bar/screwdriver mark the ring gear section that you can see through hole the starter came out of and rotate the ring gear and inspect each section until your mark appears again.if some teeth are damaged or broken then the ring gear must be replaced..if no damage check that the starter you intend to fit has the same number of teeth on the gear as the one you removed... one tooth different will cause damage to the starter ring and lots of noise as it jumps a tooth every second rotation of the starter.....
sterter motor gear was same,However, ring gear is tragic.
I hang in work to detach the transmission.
Does the service hole of torque converter have the person who knows how to remove?.I do not have the work shop manual.
Hi The gearbox and torque converter must be removed to access the bolts holding the ring gear plate to the crankshaft...the actual ring gear can be purchased as a separate item if the plate proves to be re useable....
We wish to express our gratitude to people gave advice.
thank you so much.
I did the automatic transmission remove and checked ring gear.
It was ring gear completely consumed.
Both parties' gears cannot bite each other.
Problem of starter motor?.Exactly, starter motor is the same as the cutting machine.
I detached automatic transmission last Friday, exchanged ring gear, and all work ended on Saturday.
The service of this might be easy according to the structure.
230ge of me calmly started starting now.
The spent cost was 0.
I recalled that it had gotten on cj3b in 1940 before, and the same problem existed.
This was possible according to an old Bible.
thanks all
Great to see you solved the problem!
I hope you also changed the pinion (small gear on starter motor), as that was probably worn out with such a ring gear, and best having 2 sets of new gears meshing into each other.
Yes . I exchanged it for a new starter motor.
I thought the problem of the starter motor, and had a new motor.
A new starter motor changed it. I did not do the resolution of a question.
I noticed it was foolish.
And, I doubted the problem was a drive ring gear.
It was enough for me to imagine big cost.
The fact of these foreign cars that information on an old model is very scarce in the much more in Japan in special existence. And, the repair price of high priced is demanded.
I examined it. The web site led me here.
It was noticed that I was correct. Information obtained with gwoa will be taken an active part by me.
I saw certainly. This problem might be useful what for the gw fan that would be generated in the near future.
I can inform of the means to which I solved.
thanks gwoa all fun,
Taka
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Hi.fixwin38. My 230ge was auto matic.
oh.. I do not confirm the number of gear.It differs by the age type and the model?.
I start work to remove the starter motor. I will confirm the number of teeth and the drive gear.
I report them.