wiper spindles
I have a new set of wiper spindles. the old ones were an absolute mess of worn rusted metal. does someone know of an easy way of removing the connecting arm from the actual spindles it is like a ball joint of sorts and no amount of reasonable force even touches it, is there a way or is it a case on brute force
If the socket part of the (ball&socket)joint has a spring-clip, then remove that first but I think you'd have figured that out.
If not, then it is a case of twisting it off rather than a straight pull. Take a good pair of waterpump pliers and grab the shank just behind the socket and twist it sideways so as to force the side of the socket against the stem of the ball. That should pop it off without needing too much force.
Obviously and as always first lubricate everything thoroughly, ie a good squirt of WD40 into the inside of the socket, followed by some wiggling and then another squirt.
Sorry if this sounds patronising, Nicholas, but I dont know your mechanical experience/expertise/abilities.
Hope this helps.
Be careful. I changed mine and sufferred a lot of problems, a week later I found that MBUK had suppiled the spindles for a LHD rather than a RHD. No wonder I had problems! Check your new parts aginst the ones you are removing. It was only after close examination that I found they were not the same.
Yep Dan,
MB much vaunted electronic parts thingy appears to have at least one error on it, I too recieved LHD wiper spindles, only I noticed they were different before I fitted them, the man on the parts desk was very good but all the part Nos checked out etc, so I used the old plate as a template , bored a hole and changed the spigot. 100% effective.
Marcus
I can't believe they have still got that wrong. I returned the parts and they gave me the correct ones.
Me too. I checked after i saw your post. :shock: they are quite different I have had to get marty to source them for me :oops:
MB themselves didn't have a clue when I did mine. I got sent the wrong part twice. But its is quite simple: replace both wiper spindles and there is no problem. (The LHD is just the same bits just the other way round.) Otherwise you dont know which part you have. Mine was even worse as someone had already replaced one spindle with the wrong part - I had 2 with 2 attachments Very confusing.
Now this is getting confusing I compared new with old they are different the straight new one is longer and the the other forked one is bigger and has the connecting arm ball joints in different places?
Confusing…………
That is very strange: my replacements were the same as the ones that came off. See http://www.benzworld.org/forums/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=1178883&posts=4 for the problems I had with the dam things.
From my epc there are 2 types of spindle – A 000 820 81 46 right A 00 820 80 46 left from 066443or 904855
And A 00 820 43 46 left A 000 820 42 46 right up to 066443 or 904855
Left and right are revrsed for RHD
I guess you might have the earlier or later ones depending on your vin – which would explain the differences.
My truck is an 89 and uses the early ones and they are the short ones, if that helps.
Good Luck with solution
I changed both sides and they were definately different. I think the motor etc are on the other side on the LHD. The solution is to take them back to MB and explain the problem. My dealer swaped them without a problem once he knew what he was looking for. The drilling and hammering is not necessary, unless you want to that is.
I changed mine and used the no's. from the epc which were correct.
there is room for confusion as there is L and R used to describe both LHD/ RHD and LHS/ RHS of the vehicle.
Version is the LHD/RHD type. Not surprised MB parts suppliers get it wrong though.
It certainly was worth the effort as it fixed the water leak and noise and slop in the arm
100 mile round trip or the vagaries of the Royal Mail to exchange and I wished to get the car back on the road asap, hence the boring and riviting bit.
Marcus
for what it is worth.
When removing the spindles I managed to break one of the plastic ring balljoint holders in the connecting bar can anyone assist with a spare.
It is the long bar
Thank you
Have got the same problem with water coming through the spindles as a lot of other people, so I ordered the parts from Merc.
Ordered two of the the recommended spindles as discussed on the benzworld forums for a 1987 280ges (the confusion continues as to the correct part numbers).
So equiped with new spindles I stripped the dash as much as possible, to my horror, I found that its almost impossible to get to the spindles without dismantling the whole dash, and absolutely impossible to remove them from the metal ring housings as they bang into chunks of sheet metal that are the back of the dash when you try to slide them out.
I had to give up trying to replace the spindles entirely and just used the new washers and nuts from the new spindle packs to try and plug the leaks.
If anyone can tell me how to get the spindles out of a 280 without removing the entire dashboard, I would be eternally grateful :)
It looks worse than it really is:
Remove the glove box – remove the panel either side of the steering wheel – follow the instructions bellow. You get all scratched up fumbling about behind the dash and you can lever off the knuckles with an open end spanner of the right size and replace them a sharp blow with an extension bar and hammer – it’s a fiddle but possible in a couple of hours.
yep
I agree with scratched knuckles, and aches and sprains from working in contorted positions etc etc,
I only started mine because rustbucket said it was easy / straightforward, well if I had read his post properly,
it turned out he had had the dash removed for sommat else. :oops:
But I endevoured to preserve or whatever that old Indian said.
AND yes its possible, as I have remarked before low tech but tedious.
Near as bad as changing the cabin air filter on a Sharan/Galaxy :evil:
And yes MB / DC have got it wrong in their parts system for RHD / LHD wiper bits.
Good luck,
Marcus
which manual did you get those pages from?
Marcus – I suffered slashed hands from it and the problem of having MB not know which parts were LHD or RHD, of course if you replace both it doesn’t matter they are just the other way round but you need both bits.
Jedbroadley – it comes from the CD supplied by gwoa or so I was informed by the chap that gave me a copy some years ago when I was looking to buy such a beast.
It’s in the 280 - electric - 8621
Success!!!!!!
I have finally managed to get the driver side spindle out of the dash.
Using only infinite amounts of patience, several screwdrivers and a small open ended spanner. I am not even bleeding.. :)
Still got the passenger side to do, but also have a new found air of confidence that it is actually possible.
Have sent the new (and wrong) drivers side unit to a friendly machine shop to have the balls removed, a hole drilled and then replaced the right way round.. :)
Then in about a week I will have dry feet and the dash back together. :)
A lesson to all, perseverance is key.. :)
so for a RHD 463 , what are the part numbers for both drivers & passengers wiper spindles?
There is no difference between the 460 and 463 spindles and if you change both then LHD or RHD spindles will fit... if your spindles are worn where the shaft protrudes from the housing then changing is the ONLY ultimate remedy...if the whole assbly is loose behind the big nut that holds it in the window frame then sealant and tightening of the nut will stop the leak. lubricate the spindles with High melting point grease (like old style waterpump grease) before fitting the new ones.or lubricate the existing ones with same type grease heated until runny. use a handpump type grease gun with a piece if hose and two jubilee clips to make a tight seal over the spindle housing and the end of the grease gun coupling... even old worn spindles will stop leaking if you perform this treatment once a month or so.... or until you muster enough courage to fit new ones....
Does anyone know if the spindle sortage has been resolved by MB? i removed them from my G today, it only took me about 20minutes im not sure what the fuss is all about? no cuts or even sratches either.
Ok the screen is not fitted at the minute! but its much easier than i expected.
Hi I have one new spindle P/n A000 820 78 46 description is Bearing for the drivers side...I know it's good cos it's still in the packet and the black cover that fits between the wiper arm and the retaining nut in the windscreen surround is P/n A 000 824 36 7 description is Capsule sorry cannot find the invoice with passenger side P/n... I take the "Bearing"apart and pack the body with high temp 85c grease "to stop it melting in the sun" and pack the "capsule with petroleum jelly or 3M MS 35 compound which seems to be good for at least 3 winters.and drill a 2 mm hole in the body for pressure oil lubrication when required.
have just replaced my set, four hours very tricky, the part came as a complete assembly £100 from main dealer.
:)
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No thats absolutely fine ta I had found the clips but it just wasnt budging I did nt want to apply too much pressure and wreck the bar or joint I have done it now with your help though thank you