Turbo or None Turbo?

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Hello,

Im going to buy a Musso soon for my conversion, i was wondering which would be better to buy, turbo or none?

The none turbo cars are cheaper so basically i was wondering how difficult it would be to convert a 662 none turbo to a turbo and if it financially better to go that way. Saves me buying the sump, fuel injector and timing chain cover?

Thanks,

Matt

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Re: Turbo or None Turbo?

 Hi Matt

Either way you will need to change the sump and change/drill the case for the dipstick.
If you want turbo, then you're far better off to buy a turbo, then you have everything, and they're not that much more expensive, if at all.

Regards Scott

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Re: Turbo or None Turbo?

 you will need a sprinter sump and oil pump whatever you choose. buy a turbo it is pointless trying to make a nonturbo engine turbo it is built to a different spec ,the n/a is smooth but slow ,but not as slow as the 617 (glacial) the engine is designated 662, i have drilled 2 of these to fit the dipstick and tube from the engine that donates the sump  ,otherwise you have to change the timing case .......
the job is not too bad ,but it is all done on press fit clearance ,so do not $@£$ it up or its an expensive day out at the merc dealers or breakers for a timing case and the angle you drill the hole at is critical so the dipstick does not foul the sump floor (a light tweek solves that) the blank casting on the cover gives you x marks the spot but do be careful study the hole the stick came from in the other donor cover do not just dive in with a drill you could go through an oil way or worse ,finally round file to fit and use lock n'seal type product for final fit it should knock in with a mallet up to the shoulder create clearance to suit for this to happen ,it must not be loose.
get the injector pump away and have it maxxed and modify the inlet manifold a la mr.brueggers 461 along with the iveco intercooler (pictured),and a freeflow stainless exhaust -160 hp is awaiting your pleasure..
the sprinter sump has to be modified to clear the g mount please read my learned friend mr.brueggers threads on the subject !
he has posted pictures of the job in some detail it is a good conversion and makes a g really go! his one lights its tyres up out of a junction as it steps up onto boost (if you like that kind of thing) very torquey and it is good on the old diesel ,come down on the later dates in september (29-30th) and have a look and maybe a drive ???
please pm me for help on sourcing a 662 turbo and all the parts to make it happen, i take it you have a gearbox flywheel /clutch combo sorted out to fit a 60x engine? the 5 speed out of a 190 e 2.6 is ideal and very good value (under £200 usually on e bay etc)

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Re: Turbo or None Turbo?

Thanks very much for the quick replies, unfortunatly due to work i won't be able to get down as my shifts are pretty stubborn.

Looks like i'll go straight for the td then and look to source the other parts. The majority of the work will be done by a friend who is alot more clued up on mechanics than myself however my G is the only one he has ever worked on. He is a Landy/General mechanic but isn't too clued up on Mercedes.

Is there any chance you could please do me a list of the parts i will require?

My G is a 460 280ge Auto & I plan to use the Musso Auto box aswell. I have 2" lift anyway so is there much modification to the sump required?

Is it better to buy two donors then or just source the other parts from a breakers? I live in the Manchester area so Dronsfields is no problem at all to get too.

Thanks again for your help.
Matt

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Re: Turbo or None Turbo?

 musso auto box is married to the transfer case you must use a 60x merc box and attach back onto the g transfer box ,unless you want to build some weird hybrid ,the musso box is a bit dodgy with a bad rep so really avoid if you can , the sprinter sump fouls the g sump on the side where the mount goes (inlet side) and you really should think about altering the sump tank floor if you go offroad at angles as the engine sits up at the front quite a bit ,you will also need the mounts for this engine (see tony b's threads for part nrs. etc) he has info on the thermostat housing and hoses you need to use ,find his threads it is all there on gwoa just have a scroll through look for tony bruegger as a lead name on a thread .

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Re: Turbo or None Turbo?

okay thanks so much, i'll look into all Mr Bruegger's threads and have a good look. I wouldn't mind the manual for the overdrive on motorways as i use my G as my everyday car. I'll have a good read at work tonight haha. Thanks for the help.

Matt

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Re: Turbo or None Turbo?

 get reading! hope you don't get any shouts, the overdrive ratio is agood idea as the g auto in a 460 only has a 1 to 1 top gear o/d only on 5 speed and that is electronic and you will need a controller from the u.s. and that is 500 bucks a friend is getting one i await to see how it works. happy reading..

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Re: Turbo or None Turbo?

i think i will try for the 190 e box like you said before. My mind is already throbbing from this!

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 you will need a flywheel for this and also get the output flange converted to g wagen 8 bolt spec,i can get this done as we do this to the six and five speeders i use ,there is a flywheel available atm that would suit your job , you will need the shift lever and the rods to go with the box also,sorry to cook your brain but its all got to be got and fitted ,the rating on the 190e 2.6 petrol box should be fine for torque as they are built to do 100's of thousands of miles without failure.
manual conversion 
1.gearbox 
2.clutch and flywheel
3.output flange to suit g 8 bolt prop maybe have to alter length of short prop??
4 .pedal box incl.clutch pedal and master cylinder and pipe work
5.gear lever and linkage incl reverse switch
6.gear lever with gaiter correct length so you can reach
7. gearbox rear mount modify
8. if going underwater is your bag drilling and tapping breathers on the box and bellhousing /waterproofing of all openings
9. altering stabiliser frame for manual box
10.phew

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Re: Turbo or None Turbo?

 Here's some photos of my 662 TD conversion

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 very nice ,and left hand drive ,i see you have kept  the over the top type turbo pipe for the inlet it all looks very tidy have you done any tuning with more fuel and boost or kept it standard musso at about 120 ish?

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Re: Turbo or None Turbo?

 Hi Axel

I've left it standard, running without intercooler at the moment as you can see. Once I've intercooled it (designing a water/air unit to fit in the manifold using laminova cores), i'll think about upping the HP then.
VERY happy with this engine, a lot of torque at low RPM and very smooth.

Cheers Scott