Replacing OM 617 by OM 602 turbodiesel Electronic Control

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Dears

My friend wants to replace his  OM 617 by OM 602.983 Electronic Control 

However he faced a problem with the ECU as this technology isn't available in G460

Can he replace the fuel pump and the injectors by spare parts from an earlier version OM 602 that work without an ECU?

 

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Ayman 

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i will use this post to restate some of my own hard learned lessons;-

'iron head' 617 and 616 engines and associated gearboxes have the starter on the opposite side to ALL subsequent MB diesels so all swaps must include a gearbox and flywheel clutch assy.

602 'sprinter ecu rotary pump is DIRECT injection.There are several good conversions on the forums ,BUT a lot of painstaking work removing and using the relevent parts of the sprinter loom related to the ecu, starting at the key sensor.

There is also an issue with the inlet manifold which goes back over the cam cover and has to be changed/fabricated [I have seen a 'power bulge' G bonnet-yuk]

You have to have the egr system [also yuk] retained OR be very clever to fool the ecu and you will never have more than c.125 bhp and the harshness of direct injection.

Check the forums for 662 musso conversions with classic M pump injection ,no electronics needed.

I am working on a 200bhp 662 using 6mm elements and E300 kkk turbo and hope to be able to soon report on test run/dyno tune results

My daily driver is a 461 with  standard 662 power ,good intercooler and 5.5 mm pump properly set - those who have seen it know it goes well

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Re: Replacing OM 617 by OM 602 turbodiesel Electronic Control
617a engine, alda maxxed, or 617a with a gt2256v turbo ? , you can keep it near original
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There is a few options to mod starting off with basic 617a , 662, 602,603, 605 and the daddy of them, all 606td axle style but its how far do u want to go with your time and budget ? 617a you don't have to change the gearbox but the rest all need another box
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Re: Replacing OM 617 by OM 602 turbodiesel Electronic Control

Thanks Tony and Scouse

The gearbox , manifold  issues already fixed 

The problem is that the engine refuses to start without the electronic system

1- What is the egr system [also yuk] ?

2- How to fool  the ecu ?

3- Can the  662 mussoclassic M pump injection works instead of the current electronic one ?

4- If the classis injection works, do you i have to relace the injectors with classic ones?

 

Ayman

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OK so the engine is in .....you have 2 routes 

1] strip out the wires from a sprinter starting at the key switch and fit ecu to engine - this has been done by some people but needs specialist knowledge.

2] there are postings on the web from eastern europe that describe the use of a 5 cyl rotary pump from 5 cyl VW of the 90's and also volvo rotary pump

In answer to your question an 'M' pump wont fit at all ...wrong pump drive sprocket - you could try with the sprocket from the inline pump HOWEVER injection pressure from rotary is much higher than inline m pump and you CANNOT change injectors as they are quite different type and fitting ,there is then also an issue with injector pipes which have to be made especially.

EGR is exhaust gas valve which should be deleted.

My feeling is find a 5 cyl rotary pump with mechcanical actuator would be best solution

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I have this engine in my 460 and mated it straight to the original 230 LWB auto. Engine was from a 2000 sprinter so key was not a problem. EGR was simple to bypass. As 460 was RHD I moved the turbo slightly..Conversion was done some years back and it still runs well and apart from 4.88 diffs which makes top speed less than 130 kph it makes a quick and economical g out of a thirsty and gutless one. What year is your donor engine?
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Re: Replacing OM 617 by OM 602 turbodiesel Electronic Control
Thanks The web post was from Hungary ( superturbodiesel) .They are telling something about the Audi pump The engine is 602,983 so the production date from 1997 to 2000 Ayman
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Interesting that one as you should have a good engine there in the OM602.983 varient

The OM602.983 motor is from the 461 series 290GDT only coupled to the 722.331 W A 4 028 Auto Box

So it has come out of a G already...

The Sprinter version is usually the OM602.980 varient

OM602.980 Sprinter 901,902,903,904 - 210D,212D,310D,312D,410D,412D

OM602.982 E Class 210 - E290TD

OM602.983 G Wagen 461 - 290GDT

OM602.984 Vario 668,670 - 512D,612D,614D,812D,814D,815D

OM602.985 Vario 668,670 - 512D,612D,614D,812D,814D,815D

Gav

 

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Re: Replacing OM 617 by OM 602 turbodiesel Electronic Control

  Yes Gav you are right. The engine i used was out of a 2000 312d. JOHN

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Re: Replacing OM 617 by OM 602 turbodiesel Electronic Control

Do you mean Gav that the Sprinter wiring won't work in the  OM 602.983 ?

Ayman

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No, not at all..

Just that although the OM602.98X engines are all the same mechanically they all run in different states of tune and how the power is delivered depending if it was in a Small 4x4 a Medium or Large Van etc.

All the ECU's will be different

Gav

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Re: Replacing OM 617 by OM 602 turbodiesel Electronic Control

We couldn't find the right wires

Could anyone tell us what is the exact   rotary pump from  VW of the 90's could replace the current one ?

Ayman

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Re: Replacing OM 617 by OM 602 turbodiesel Electronic Control

Very interesting. I have a small collection of ecu from 312d vans and wondered why the part numbers differed. My engine came from a  large van. Am glad it did as the power is excellent and not much different from my g270cdi which has been chipped.