mercedes sprinter engine into 1989 W460 with auto transmission
sorry chaps been trawling through the forusm trying to figure out if this is a vaible option for me
my w460 is barely capable of creeping over 70mph and want to use it for 200 mile round trip to wales
engine is dropping a lot of oil so while its out and warrantied the people i bought it from are kindly helping me to evalaute some other options
there are tons of turbo diesel sprinter engines on ebay, mostly 2.2's but read somewhere ideally i want a 1999 2.9
if anyone could point me in the direction of a thread that could help me, and give me some idea as to what else i should budget for in addition to the £1,600 that the engines seem to be going for
also, if this is all feasible i will sell my engine
if i am braking up the wrong tree and i should do mods on mine eg transfer box or turbocharge it etc etc please put me in place immediately
this is a beautiful chassis that is really worth the effort and we want to keep it forever
thanks masses SIMEON 07775783050
It seems the future of the classic G-Wagens' is evolving into a conversion path. I personally have not looked into this topic academically, but we do have some members doing this sort of work more frequently.
I know that, depending on what you looking for, from your conversion the cost are £4000 - £6500 and plus. I feel (personal opinion) given that sort of money you are better off trading this model for a latter one, but given the lack of supply on the latter ones your option is limited unless your budget stretches to £30000 plus.
So, we can argue a case for conversion, high as it may seem. This is your personal investment and have to perhaps accept the return on resale may not cover your investment and in order to maintain some esthetic valve you will need to document the conversion and draw history of the donor parts.
I do not know if you may achieve speeds of over 70 mph with the conversion in place but touring at 60/65 mph has a small difference in journey time compared to traveling at say 80/85 mph. You would be breaking speed limits, increasing fuel consumption and stressing your vehicle etc,etc...
I can not immediately answer if the sprinter engine will mate to your automatic gearbox? The consideration is what side the starter motor sits at?
Alternatively, re-manufacturing your own engine may cost £2500. Where are you loosing oil from?
I am hoping our expert members will contribute to your answer but be prepared for having some £5000 or so, in loose change.
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Hi
The late 90's Sprinter engine is a good strong unit, and the pre CDI models are relitively easy to convert into a G Wagen.
The engine i assume you are talking about is the 310D / 312D Sprinter with the 5 cylinder OM602.980 DELA unit (2.9ltr)
Against the OM601.943 4 cylinder (2.2ltr) 308D models.
208D/308D/408D models are circa 80bhp - 4 cylinder
210D/310D/410D models are circa 100bhp - 5 cylinder
212D/312D/412D models are circa 120bhp - 5 cylinder
The difference between the 100bhp and 120bhp 5 cylinder models is all electronic in the ECU, basically just a chipped version.
OM602.980's have the Starter Motor on the Left side.
OM617.931 (300GD 460) has the Starter Motor on the Right side so you will also need a suitable Gearbox to match the Sprinter engine.
Although the OM602 Turbo will obviously be a performance improvement on the old engine, it will not be a real quick motor or have that much more torque, and dont expect fuel figures much above 25mpg.
Plenty of G's have been fitted with the turbo varients of the OM602/ OM662 5 cylinder and a few with its Multi Vavle brother the OM605 but i would say that a 6 cylinder turbo OM603/OM606 would be a much better long term solution and if you have a very competant converter / mechanic then they do start at a lot less money than that quoted for the base engine, or even a complete doner car.
As Rakesh has said, expect to pay £4k plus for anything worth having, closer to double for a 6 cylinder done anything like properly.
Gav
Auto just add to the issues as you will struggle to find a Sprinter with an Auto Box and to convert to Manual is just more work again
Not impossible, but you need to know what your on with, Pedal Box, Clutch Pipework etc.
Gav
602 sprinter engines in both 310 and 312 variant are not easy to fit as they are direct injection rotary pump ecu controlled.
Also they are now ALL high mileage [have seen 400.000]
Much easier is the 662 SSangyong , inline pump turbo i/cooled ,fit a 1995 on 5 speed auto from any car and buy the danish gearbox controller for around 500 euro
Another advantage with the 662 is that they are all likely to be much lower mileage ,however they are getting harder to find.
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