463 Diesel breakdown. Help required

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montreal
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 Had a breakdown in my 463 yesterday. Car has a 603 turbo engine and has been really good until then. Sympoms were a slight ticking after a 100 mile run that I thought was a noisy pull your low oil. The sound lessened when revved above 2000 rpm.. Noisy got louder and could heard at 50 mph. Stopped car and restarted. Engine ran really rough and hard to start with a loud hammering noise from injector area along with screech/ metallic clatter. Started better today but screech still there. I'm thinking that an injector has failed or that I have a head gasket problem. The car did run a bit hot when I got it but this has got better with new filler cap. I uses a bit of water but I think it could be related to the brass neck of the header tank which is wet once warmed up.  Don't know if related but the battery also died today. No lights left on but hazards were on for about  1 hour at roadside. Where do I start as it needs to be 250 miles away at my house soon. I would replace all the injector nozzles if it's going to help it run nicely and a DIY job. Can't turn it over on a dead battery now. 

 

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Re: 463 Diesel breakdown. Help required

Firstly, I would have the battery charged up and checked up after a charge. When the engine is running have the charge rate checked out; the battery, if around four year's old could be weak or on its way out, have the battery checked after a charge up or one of those modern battery testers can give an indication of battery state in a discharged state, if you access to it or get a factor check for you.

Secondly, check the engine oil level, change oil and replenish as necessary. If the oil change is overdue replace oil filter and engine oil. Check the drained oil for any metallic remnants indicating some internal engine damage.

Was the exhaust smoky during the incident? And if so, what colour smoke?

 I uses a bit of water but I think it could be related to the brass neck of the header tank which is wet once warmed up

How much water have you been using and over what period? You could have water leakage but it could be due to water pump, radiator or head gasket; this will need checking. Unless you have breakdown relay service, I suggest cancelling any long journeys until the vehicle is perfect. I don't  follow what you are trying to say about the header tank being wet.

It looks you need to have a compression test and possibly have the oil pressure checked. The screeching noise is distrubing hence having the compression test done. You could have broken a piston ring.

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Re: 463 Diesel breakdown. Help required

I have just a bmw 530 d have the same symptom and the turbo had gone.

proper gone.

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Re: 463 Diesel breakdown. Help required

Rakesh. Hny to year. I'll get the car home and check as you say. 

Could i now fit a 606 turbo easily into my car using g specific bits from my car (350td)?

i hope its not toast but if so i'll look at an upgrade depending in complexity and the cost. 

 

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Re: 463 Diesel breakdown. Help required

Hopefully this does not apply to your problem:

Originally Posted by GeorgeMurphy  
From my files - some a little dated:

At a recent Tech Session I had a chance to speak with Tom
Ischler, who is a TechRep for MBUSA. I asked him to speak with me not as a
representative of MBUSA, but as one car guy to another. I asked
point-blank: What is MB's position on the longevity (or lack thereof) on
the 603 engines.

His responses were rather illuminating. He indicated that the "bent rod"
syndrome and the premature cylinder wear problem were actually the same
problem at different times in the life of the engine. I won't do justice to
his explanation of the issue, but he broadly stated what MB believes to be
happening is that the 603 experiences severe detonation due to the lower
cetane fuels used in North America. In Europe, 60 cetane is not uncommon.
In US markets, 50 cetane is very rare, and low-40's is common. This leads
to detonation (pinging, were it a gas engine) after the piston has passed
TDC in the ignition cycle.

This detonation leads to the bent rods that many 603 owners have noted. The
rods, once bent, subtly change the angle of the piston and this is what
leads to the "egg-shaped" cylinder syndrome where the oil consumption
increase becomes noticeable.

What's interesting is that a compression test (hot or cold) will not
absolutely indicate a problem bent rod; compression may still be within
acceptable limits in spite of impending or existing internal damage. As a
semi-static test, the compression is within spec even though the rods have
begun to collapse. A compression leakdown test is flawed for the same
reason; it is typically conducted at TDC when the piston is beyond the
cylinder deformation.

The reason that MB pulls the head as a diagnostic action when 603 problems
arise is to determine if the problem is related to unsatisfactory
maintenance (i.e.: scoring of the cylinder walls due to poor maintenance).
Of course, once opened up the cylinders can be measured to determine if the
"egg-shaped" syndrome has commenced.

Anecdotally, he mentioned that placing a known-good rod next to a "bent" one
does not reveal an obvious problem. The bending does not appear as a
flexing of the rod, but it can be measured.

Finally, I pointed out to Tom that I had never known a 603 owner who did not
experience the oil consumption problem within the first 100K or so and that
MB seemed to be very evasive about owning up to the design flaws. He stated
that the policy was that owners complaining of 603 oil consumption problems
were handled on a "case basis" (taking into account the maintenance history,
owner history, etc...). There is, apparently, an MB form (that all Zone
Reps have access to) that must be sent to MBAG to approve an MB-covered
engine replacement. Tom stated that he had never heard of a request for
replacement that had gone all the way to MBAG that was denied. He also
stated that at 800/FOR-MERC, processes had been put in place to handle
complaints related to the 603 engine.


From official Mercedes sources, this is what we know: In October 1990,
shortly after this motor (the 603.970) went into production, MB revised the
configuration of the head bolts in order to strengthen the entire assembly.
When the 1992 version (the 603.971) went into production, changes were made to
the head gasket. Clearly MB was concerned about the ability of the head and
gasket to withstand the greater stresses caused by the increase in
displacement. Of course, essential to the motor's viability are the capacity
and integrity of the cooling and lubricating subsystems.

In search of the best explanation for our problem I have combed through the
archives of the various on-line discussion groups of the MBCA and several
other groups. I have obtained and searched through the AllData CD-Rom
containing the Technical Service Bulletins (TSBs) for my particular model
year. One of our members has shared with me an 'unofficial' acknowledgment
and explanation given to him by an MB Tech Rep.

The most specific material that I have received so far comes to me from a
concerned member. It consists of a service advisory (I'm not sure of the
precise title) contained on microfiche. It appears under a group captioned
"Removal and Installation of Engine, Crankcase (block), Cylinder Head,
Crankcase Ventilation." It is numbered 01-93101 and captioned "Engine Smokes
Blue, Makes Knocking Noises, Runs Unevenly, Valve tappets are noisy with
engine at operating temperature." It relates to engines 602.96, 603.96, and
603.971 (produced up to April 1, 1994). This particular bulletin was revised
October 1996. It describes the cause of these problems as "Insufficient
sealing of cylinder head gasket in area of cylinder head lateral oil channel
near cylinder no. 1" and describes the remedy as "Inspect combustion chamber
to determine repair, using boroscope if necessary, and replace cylinder head
gasket." It cautions that prior to re-installing the cylinder head, there
should be a careful inspection of the cylinder head lateral oil channel, the
removal of any burrs, and the lightly camfering (sp?) of the edges from the
lateral oil channel to prevent splitting of the head gasket sealing edge.

Soon thereafter, in December 1995, with a revision dated February 1996, a
"Service Tip" was issued, numbered 03T95121, captioned "Limited Availability
of Optimized Pistons" for Model 140.134 with engines up to serial number
603.971-12-018446. (I suspect that there were none manufactured thereafter;
these were probably sufficient for the balance of the 1994 model year, and the
very few distributed as 1995 models.) The service tip advises that "A very
limited availability exists of optimized pistons with piston rings for use as
remedy against oil consumption complaints." The tip directs the mechanic to
"verify related engine components are in correct working order and engine
control systems are functioning correctly prior to ordering or installing
these special pistons; verify no abnormalities or wear patterns exist with
cylinder bores; ensure cylinder bore honing is visible and normal." It goes
on to recommend reference to certain specific literature and work
instructions, but I do not yet have them.

I have also reviewed a Technical Service Bulletin, dated August 1994, that
advises of the availability of cylinder sleeves in the event one of these
engines is rebuilt.

These bulletins speak volumes about our problem. They confirm the legitimacy
of our complaints - excess oil consumption, mechanical noise, smoke, uneven
running. They demonstrate that enough of these problems had been brought to
MB's attention, relatively soon after introduction, that engines had been torn
down, specific problems had been found, and solutions (albeit partial) had
been proposed. They identify a likely cause - defects in or obstruction of
the lateral oil channel. The admonition that cylinders be closely inspected
is particularly significant, since it confirms what several of our members
have experienced - cylinders that have become out-of-round.


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Since last I wrote I have found some data that is of interest, i.e. the
number of cars sold in the U.S. with this engine. The numbers are as follows:

1990 350SDL 855
1991 350SD/SDL 3,914
1992 300SD 1,131
1993 300SD 1,005
1994 S350 672
1995 S350 425
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Re: 463 Diesel breakdown. Help required

Just so all you Normally Aspirated OM603 owners dont panic, this only applies to the Turbocharged version of the OM603 engine's.

The OM603A Turbocharged engine version was never brought into the UK officially in any model.

It was only fitted in 463 series G Wagens in the 350GDT / G350DT models with OM603.972 as well as the W140 series S Class with OM603.971 version, both in 3500cc capacity.

This particular model in this thread was factory supplied as a G350DT with an OM603.972 but has already had its engine swopped to a W124 series 300TD OM603.960 varient which is a 3000cc Turbocharged varient like the OM603.963 fom the same W124 4 Matic option.

Hope this helps...

Gav

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Yeh. Like Gav said. Respect to Hagerty insurance for taking us further than they had to. Even the Rac coughed up. We'll see what the inspection shows.