Is the INEOS a G ?

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What do we think of the INEOS Grenadier?  An engineering led vision of a utilitarian 4x4.

It looks very Land Rover-ish.  It has ladder frame and beam axles.  It got design expertise from Magna in Austria.

Personally, I like the idea of a modern day re-think of the 4x4.  Leveraging lessons learned and modern materials and design.  So why does it look the same and will it compete with a G ?  Will the manufacture come close to MB G standards?  Will the components stand the test of time, or reveal a host of lessons-not-learned issues?

https://youtu.be/bUSUAdPpr14

 

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"No electronics"

Count me in!

It's a shame it looks SO much like the old Defender - at first glance I could believe it was a built-under-license continuation (Fiat/Lada or Morris/Hindustan anyone?) but maybe for this vehicle it's a good thing marketing-wise?

I watched this video and another one after. Neither references the G Wagen, which must be "on purpose" too...

If they build a SWB version, they may find me knocking at their door - especially if it's an EV :-)  !!

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Re: Is the INEOS a G ?

Would the new Suzuki Jimny be a better option, bigger than before but still cute, less of a gamble than Ineos 

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Very true. I do like the Jimny. Like a baby G. A useable workhorse too. Not a heavyweight, but versatile. My worry with the Grenadier is all the teething troubles it may have, without a real life manufacturer behind it. No dealership network etc. And with so many people having the same reservations, it may not take off.
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I really do hope it takes off. Team INEOS seems to be approaching the Grenadier project professionally and seriously. Using proven running gear and a commitment to straightforward quality I would be much more interested in the Grenadier than a current so called Defender (beefed up Discovery?) with its 85 computers. Computers plus sand plus water plus mud? Hmmm... I don't think so!
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I love the idea of the Grenadier. In fairness, I also think they're way behind where they claim to be in the development. All the videos are renderings, not footage of the actual car. 

 

 

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Stuckmojo wrote:

I love the idea of the Grenadier. In fairness, I also think they're way behind where they claim to be in the development. All the videos are renderings, not footage of the actual car.

 

I watched this video and assumed it was a real car but then I watched it again after reading your post and looking at the obscured windows I think you are correct. I imagine it won't be long before it will be impossible to tell what is a real and what is a fake video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJguNBmlvuo

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The Ineos Grenedier is being reviewed on Auto Mundial, next Sunday morning on ITV 4 at 6.50 am

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As well as a 2008 LHD G Wagon, we also have a Jimny  - a year old, so the current model.    I think they've stopped selling them as there will be no more coming into the UK due I think to "fleet average" emissions fines.   It's great but very very small.

Fantastic review here by Andrew St Pierre White - who has some great overland trip videos on youtube also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK3363tzmyE

I'm keen on the Ineos.    I'd prefer a Toyota engine rather than BMW but you can't have everything.    They've got some experienced firms involved in the engineering.   Like Jdring I fear teething troubles.

Mike

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Does it have locking diffs?

Started off with initial price of about 28k, now over 40k, I fear too expensive for most farmers, Utility companies etc?

Will be very hard to break into the pick up  market, 

Also have a new Jimny, traction is very impressive,  seems very quick compared with my 463   300d, tho not as stable!

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Depenandant on what your definition of a "G" is.

The "G" is an abbriviation of Geländer which has several meanings, one of those is "rails" - I suppose the association here is the ladder frame of the vehicle? Originally, I was told by a German it meant Cross-country vehicle.

Given that, then the Ineos is a "G" as is a Land Rover and other Cross-country off road vehicles.

In essence to your question it is not a "G" as in G-Wagen. It could be a formidable off roader but currently I have some questions put out to the company for more technical details.

Ineos is no 'micky mouse' company, it has petro-chemicals background having over £60 Billion turnover.

In 2017 it was nominated as UK's most profitable private company, it has patnered with Magna on the technical devlopments of the chassis and with BMW for the twin turbo petrol and diesel power plants and investing £600,000 towards bringing the vehicle to the Market place. 

They are concurrently, working on double cab, tippers and flatbed versions.

I hope this posting does not flood requests to the company but those of you wishing to get behind the Gernadier's wheel can register at the link below:

https://ineosgrenadier.com/register 

 

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Re: Is the INEOS a G ?
There are some who suggest that the current BMW engines B57 and B58, inked in to the Grenadier build, are as good as the legendary Mercedes 606 powerplants.
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A huge conglomerate assembled out of sell offs & bankrupcies & strategic partnerships, each company is separate from the next so this limits its vulnerabilities. Prime concers are chemical & petrochemical, given the bosses history I'd guess some of his financing is from the USA. 

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Nick123 wrote:
There are some who suggest that the current BMW engines B57 and B58, inked in to the Grenadier build, are as good as the legendary Mercedes 606 powerplants.

Though are they reliable,? thought BMW not doing well in reliability tests?

For everyday driver  sure engine choice is fine, for abuse in outback etc, perhaps Iveco,or Toyota might have been a better choice 

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PRW: Valid points but I remain optimistic. Jason: The B57 and B58 appear to be reliable workhorses although I will forever be nervous about too much electrickery. It's almost always what fails first these days. IVECO would make sense, I do agree. I'm no corporate lawyer but I cannot see Toyota encouraging any potential opposition.
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I am on the fence regarding electronics.   The days of a mechanical only engine have passed.  Even those have crank position sensors, oils temp sensors etc.

And I am mostly amazed at the robustness of integrated circuits. For something so small and complex.  OK, water is a no-no, but vibration, heat, etc is all good.   Keep the electronics dry and its as reliable as a conrod or bearing.

Improvements are needed in engine management software though(ECU).  There should always be an override.  even if it is one which you keep having to set every 100 miles (to avoid permanent overrides of trivial or non-trivial issues).

Even limp mode is not acceptable when you are stuck working/far away, unless it really is an issue that would damage the engine without it.

 

 

 

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Also, will have to have ABS, Air bags? For type approval?  Most customers will want these.

Traction Control,  all really useful. 

Think the new Defender,  just ridiculous with all the electrics,  and so far don't seem to be glitch free.

Unsure when euro  7 kicks in?  Sure Bmw on top of that,  but think of all the extra stuff for that?

Interested to see if it actually gets off the ground   ,a lot of talk at the moment. 

 

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Well it was on briefly but no engine details, no interior shots or of the engine bay, the new Defender looks something else though