G300 on Pistonheads
Does anyone have any knowledge of the G300 W463 on Pistonheadsdoes? I have been looking for a late G400 on mobile.de but prices for sub 200,000km vehicles are high. Having had a G300 TD before I know how good the car is but a bit of past history would be very useful.
Bruce which truck are you referring to. There appears to be a couple of 300s on Pistonheads. What's you budget as there has been a number of 300TDs on mobile.de around 18,000 euros with around 130k miles.
link please bruce.
and we can investigate ....;)
rgds hus
Pretty sure this one sold to a new GWOA member. I think he bought 2 at the same time.
This is the link - http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/mercedes-benz/g-class/m...
Thanks, for the link, really difficult to choose between importing a G400 and all the hassle and risk or buy a UK car and pay a bit more. The G400 on eBay has purportedly had an engine rebuild in Gemany. €7000 18 months ago.
I know nothing about that engine but lots of warnings on here about the 400.
dont rush bruce....i am sure we'll find you one....!
rgds hus
Bruce , What about 460 ? I know someone that has a lovely one for sale !!! With the right engine too ! Could get a holiday too when picking it up !
Go on,what,where,how good how much? I have been trying to find out how much the 350 that Gooch is selling is without much joy.
hi bruce.
heres a nice G300TD. http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat/mercedes-benz-g-280-h-kennzeichen-geretsried-bei-m%C3%BCn/202408369.html?lang=de&pageNumber=1&__lp=1&scopeId=C&sortOption.sortBy=price.consumerGrossEuro&makeModelVariant1.makeId=17200&makeModelVariant1.modelId=152%2C151%2C153%2C154%2C155%2C156%2C157%2C158%2C160%2C159%2C161%2C68%2C218%2C219&makeModelVariant1.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant2.searchInFreetext=false&makeModelVariant3.searchInFreetext=false&minFirstRegistrationDate=1980-01-01&maxFirstRegistrationDate=1980-12-31&negativeFeatures=EXPORT&noec=1
i think fred is on about my 79G. its sort of forsale....4 year project, full bodyoff restoration project. fitted grixy's 617a engine. runs a dream. hard to find a 460 in this condition. would happily let it go to the right person from the gwoa . its up for 13k.
rgds hus
Hi Hus
Yes I had a look at your G it is truly a thing of beauty but as I am looking for a day to day useable G for work and pleasure it has to be a LWB . I have "parked" several from mobile de and if I cannot get any joy with the G300TD that Phileas exchanged with Vintage and Prestige, I think that is where I will be sourcing from there. There are a few in the UK on Ebay and Pistonheads but everyone seems to "bling" them up with fancy LED's and AMG or Brabus kits. I would love a 500 or a 55 but too juicy and all reports of LPG conversions are pretty awful.
I would like to track down my old cabriolet too.
Go on,what,where,how good how much? I have been trying to find out how much the 350 that Gooch is selling is without much joy.
hi Bruce, I did message you back maybe it wasn't working etc.
give me a shout 078 27 229 649.
I would love a 500 or a 55 but too juicy and all reports of LPG conversions are pretty awful.
ML500 with LPG (single 70 litre tank) is fine. 14.5-17.5 mpg on the trip meter which is about 26-30mpg in petrol terms .. which for the performance is great. G500 has poorer aerodynamics but still should be similar... say 24-28mpg which is better than a 300G. Those are real world numbers too.. the wifely one is more digital in her driving so gets the lower numbers, I get the higher numbers and that is with an actual 75 on the cruise control. Not sure if you can get twin torpedo tanks down between sills and frame as you can on a 460 (central exhaust).. the G55 will probably have a monstrous exhaust so no hope.. but your chance to have a custom exhaust the terminates at the front wheels for more "days of thunder" sound track! .. Hum fit twin turbos instead of a silencer! (they are normally worth 1/2 a silencer box)
Hi Hus
Yes I had a look at your G it is truly a thing of beauty but as I am looking for a day to day useable G for work and pleasure it has to be a LWB . I have "parked" several from mobile de and if I cannot get any joy with the G300TD that Phileas exchanged with Vintage and Prestige, I think that is where I will be sourcing from there. There are a few in the UK on Ebay and Pistonheads but everyone seems to "bling" them up with fancy LED's and AMG or Brabus kits. I would love a 500 or a 55 but too juicy and all reports of LPG conversions are pretty awful.
I would like to track down my old cabriolet too.
hi bruce.
phileas was gutted after selling that G !! if you have a chance of buying it, grab it !!!! my 79G is more of weekend 2nd G to own and drive just for nostalgia. but its a great runner , commuting about 50 miles a day when i use it for work...
good luck with your search....
btw , are you not interested in your ex that sav's got now ? drove that a few years back. boy was it quick !
i know that green cabrio ! but from where ?? whose is it bruce ?
I have found a G400 2005 in Holland on mobile de, I am hoping that 2005 is post problems.i am going to have a look at Gooch's 350 but I want a day to day useable G and I might find it a bit sluggish after my Discovery4 and my old G300TD. So much opinion on the 400 and the 350!!!
I would buy the G300 that Phileas sold but I cannot even get a return call from Richard Biddulph at Vintage and Prestige, he tells me it is Turkey but that was the last I heard.
I would buy the G300 that Phileas sold but I cannot even get a return call from Richard Biddulph at Vintage and Prestige, he tells me it is Turkey but that was the last I heard.
bruce are you saying that ph's G300TD has sold to turkey ? i can track it ! 
i personally would buy a G270CDI or another G300TD. not too keen on the G400CDI , its a heavy bastard and loves to guzzle. too many past gremlins too...
rgds hus
I would buy the G300 that Phileas sold but I cannot even get a return call from Richard Biddulph at Vintage and Prestige, he tells me it is Turkey but that was the last I heard.
bruce are you saying that ph's G300TD has sold to turkey ? i can track it !
i personally would buy a G270CDI or another G300TD. not too keen on the G400CDI , its a heavy bastard and loves to guzzle. too many past gremlins too...
rgds hus
He said it is in Turkey but he is bringing it back to the UK, if I knew that he would stick to his word and return phone calls and emails I would buy it unseen but I cannot even get a reply to my calls. I would go for a 270 but there are few with reasonable miles within my budget of £20,000. I will try to get a look at the Gooch 350 next week but it's a 1992 at the same money as a G400 2005.
The green cabriolet was mine and I sold it about 5 years ago, just wondered where it was.
I have found a G400 2005 in Holland on mobile de, I am hoping that 2005 is post problems.i am going to have a look at Gooch's 350 but I want a day to day useable G and I might find it a bit sluggish after my Discovery4 and my old G300TD. So much opinion on the 400 and the 350!!!
How many G400 have you seen on Mobile.de with 200,000 km and more ?
If you want a day-day G that's also capable high-speed cruiser with a responsive engine with bags of torque and reasonable MPG, then get a G400. The engine itself is not really problematic and is probably one of the last properly engineered MB diesel engines, as it was a show-case V8 also developed for use in the s-class.. Additionally, it's not hampered by "bluetec" nonsense as the cost-reduced, V6s that followed.
With simple chip-tuning the 400 cd will give 300 bhp and 600 Nm or more.
The electronics are unavoidable in any post 2000 G and as for ergonomics, I much prefer the cleanliness of the pre 2000 dash and consoles, but it's not bad.
A 2005 model must be one of the last few built and I doubt that there will be any more V8 diesels in future.
(The 300TD can also have engine problems, particularly with the cylinder heads, which were already having trouble coping with the lower power of the non- turbo, 300D.)
I've had the choice of a G300E, a GD300 and a G400, but more often than not, I'd take the G400 for the daily commute. I also agree with Hus though, that a 270 Cdi would also be a great choice.
I have a dilemma, I have tracked down the Red G300 TD that was owned by Phileas, it is in Greece but due back in the UK in early May and will be for sale. I have found a 2005 G400 CDI in Holland with sensible mileage and there is a 2001 G400 CDI in the UK which is supposed to have had a 7000 euro engine rebuild in Germany. All similar money and all offering some plus and some negative issues. There is also Gooch,s G350 TD.What do I do?
Phileas's 300td every day !! Without thinking hard !! 300td futur Classic !!
i would check out gooch's G....i dont think he would be selling a bad G....if so, he wouldnt have advertised it here..take a test drive and take it from there..
why's ph's G in greece ????? ! hmm.....thats a nice G.
but tbh i wouldnt go for the G400 cdi. didnt piggysims have one ? he blew the engine or had some problem with it ! and i think he brought it from new....
hus
but tbh i wouldnt go for the G400 cdi. didnt piggysims have one ? he blew the engine or had some problem with it ! and i think he brought it from new....
hus
Last I heard he had swapped it for a Discovery 4, says it all I guess.
but tbh i wouldnt go for the G400 cdi. didnt piggysims have one ? he blew the engine or had some problem with it ! and i think he brought it from new....
hus
Last I heard he had swapped it for a Discovery 4, says it all I guess.
yep thats right russ.....!
sums it up in a nutshell.
hus
i would check out gooch's G....i dont think he would be selling a bad G....if so, he wouldnt have advertised it here..take a test drive and take it from there..
why's ph's G in greece ????? ! hmm.....thats a nice G.
but tbh i wouldnt go for the G400 cdi. didnt piggysims have one ? he blew the engine or had some problem with it ! and i think he brought it from new....
hus
Hi Hus thanks for the kind words, in all fairness Bruce did contact me but this week has been a bit busy as my father in laws really not too well, still in hospital etc that's the reason I haven't had time etc for viewings.
Bruce mate your welcome anytime this week etc cheers, I drive the G everyday it's a good runner, I've owned over 9 w463 LWB autos....owned a G400 cdi........too many problems with engine and electrics, that's my verdict on the 400's useless.
the older w463's are solid as a nut!
regards
Goochie
This http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES-G-WAGON-W463-G-WAGEN-G-CLASS-G-270CDI-ML-GL-/111609330469?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19fc6f3b25 would be ok for the price if it had not been pimped up!! Maybe seller still has original parts! Loved my 270! Had been remapped it was fast and economical (well as much as it can be) . Never had any issue during ownership .... 1.5 year ... Had realised it was only a four seater after buying it :-(
Not many G's do what piggys did.
He dumped the Disco and still uses Cliffs old LC.
He does miss his 400 though.
A 270 would probably be top of my list too.
That's great chaps so I go for the G300TD, the G350 TD the G400 and the G270' Feck I will need a huge garage and a shitload of beer tokens . Seriously though, the 270 on eBay is too bling, I know and like the G300TD I like the power and burble of the V8 in the G400 I am not sure the G350 will perform as I want it to. I am currently running a 2014 Discovery 4 and its a nice and capable car but I don't get a buzz from it.
but tbh i wouldnt go for the G400 cdi. didnt piggysims have one ? he blew the engine or had some problem with it ! and i think he brought it from new....
hus
Last I heard he had swapped it for a Discovery 4, says it all I guess.
yep thats right russ.....!
sums it up in a nutshell.
hus
Yep, a friend has just spent £7.5k on repairs 1 month out of warranty on repairs. My brother loves his though.
That's great chaps so I go for the G300TD, the G350 TD the G400 and the G270' Feck I will need a huge garage and a shitload of beer tokens . Seriously though, the 270 on eBay is too bling, I know and like the G300TD I like the power and burble of the V8 in the G400 I am not sure the G350 will perform as I want it to. I am currently running a 2014 Discovery 4 and its a nice and capable car but I don't get a buzz from it.
Mine not the fastest but has charm!
we used to have a disco 3 hse, lovely car with bags of space, it's one car I would have again for sure. The G's are full of noise when you hit 60-80mph, but it's the retro cubic swarzennegger look we cry for.
cheers
Goochie
Bruce,
I think you are spoiled with choice and pound against euro will work on your favour just now
Remember the days they were hardly 2 or 3 Gs for sale on Autotrader !!
This guy seems to have a good reputation, check that 300td van http://www.g-zuna.nl/Mercedes-Benz/G-klasse/300-TD-24V-VAN-YOUNGTIMER-1985249/3459/1/6/details.aspx?zoek=&cf=nietverkocht&so=lijst
I am pretty keen on the UK based 2001 400CDI which had a €7000 engine rebuild 18 months ago, it recently had an episode where an EGR valve issue put the car into limp mode, my question is, I have been told that the EGR valves can be "mapped" out to prevent further issues. Is this correct. Also the car had a complete new wiring loom for the transmission system. My thoughts are that the rebuild must have included the timing chain and associated components leaving that area hopefully trouble free. Thoughts??
Hi Fred I looked at the Dutch site and the van looks really nice, if I don't get the UK 400 I will probably have a trip to Holland.
I am pretty keen on the UK based 2001 400CDI which had a €7000 engine rebuild 18 months ago, it recently had an episode where an EGR valve issue put the car into limp mode, my question is, I have been told that the EGR valves can be "mapped" out to prevent further issues. Is this correct. Also the car had a complete new wiring loom for the transmission system. My thoughts are that the rebuild must have included the timing chain and associated components leaving that area hopefully trouble free. Thoughts??
some comments:
Note that post 2002, you also get ESP. (That may be a good thing or more trouble: Have a read about it acting too early, making for a safe, but unpleasant drive.)
The ERG valves - there are two of them - tend to get sooty from poor diesel and frequent short trips. They are motor driven and the driving cams tend to become sticky and the valve can then get stuck open, creating a lot of smelly exhaust smoke. Usually restarting the engine will fix it. (I used to get that once in a while, but since switching to better Diesel fuel, it's not happened again)
It's a simple enough procedure to remove the EGR valve bocks and clean them out and then if you use GTL Diesel (like Shell V-Power) they should remain fairly clean and trouble free. It does not require an engine rebuild to remove the valves, which is a simple job, so not sure why this 'engine rebuild' would have been required. - perhaps trying to make it sound like a lot of work was done?
You can't just leave them disconnected however, as the drive motors also have position sensors, such that the engine controller will know whether or not they are responding. Also, when open, the ECU expects to see a small reduction in air mass-flow as measured by the mass-flow sensor, so you can't just physically block them off, either.
Therefore, to delete them - which is no bad thing - will require an engine ECU reprogramme, but you need to know you can trust the new software to have been done properly.
The issue with the gearbox wiring loom applies to most vehicles with the 5-speed box and concerns the failure of the oil-tight cable entry into the auto-box. Oil then runs into and through the cable-sleeving into a control unit.
As for timing-chain, I believe that it is only the tensioner mechanism which was updated in later versions.
I'd be more worried that whoever dismantled the engine has put it back together properly, than any of the other items you mentioned.
The (common) issue that you might find with a 2001 G-400 (or any 400CDi) is that of the failure of certain capacitors in the engine control unit. They are inexpensive items (50 cents), but it will cause problems with intermittent engine stopping if the ECU has not already been replaced or repaired.
Hi Arnie
The engine rebuild was carried out in Gemany by a Mercedes main dealer, I have copies of the invoice. The EGR valve issue was very recent and the owner took it to the G class centre where they just cleaned them up. The faults that seem to affect the car are so similar to the Discovery 3 it's almost déjà vu.i assume that a €7000 job done by MB would include the later chain tensioner and eliminate that as a future issue. It was Pete at the G class centre who said that the ECU could be re programmed to delete the EGR valves, certainly a Disco 3 without them was a far better car.
Sounds all right, then. If the work was carried out by a main dealer, corner are unlikely to have been cut in the work. I think it highly likely that they will have had a notice to update the chain. Often an engine rebuild will involve swapping out with a new 'short' engine. Does the existing engine s/n match the vehicle data card?
The later engines had modified chain guide rails (the plastic bits on which the chain slides) to reduce possible effects of chain-tensioner failure, as well as a modified chain tensioner. From what I read, replacement of the chain tensioner fixes the issue, and this is screw-in device that can be replaced externally on the timing-chain cover, without a great amount of removal of parts. In any-case, the chains in all these engines are duplex, so its not a chain failure issue, but a possible chain-skip issue related to the tensioner.
Do you know why it had the rebuild?
I am sure there must be people who have done the software EGR delete, but I don't know of any. However, If you find one, let me know and I'll follow suit.
The EGR just robs engine power and causes problems, so I'm certain life would be better without it.
Hi Bruce,
When you meet Mr Gooch, perfect person to give you the low down on both the 350 and the 400 as I know he has owned both. You may consider dropping Kayrad a note as she has a 400, and is happy with her 'oil' burner.... 
. I think G500 all the way, best of all worlds, reliable V8, goes anywhere and just keeps going! Practical in LWB form and will put a smile on your face every time you mash down the right foot. And I mean every time!
Spider1V
Ok all going well so far, it has got sat nav fitted and has no CD is there a UK version available? It also has a mobile phone operating system which includes an old Nokia in the centre cubby box lid linked into the cars system. Is there a Bluetooth system in later models?
Hi Bruce,
When you meet Mr Gooch, perfect person to give you the low down on both the 350 and the 400 as I know he has owned both. You may consider dropping Kayrad a note as she has a 400, and is happy with her 'oil' burner.... . I think G500 all the way, best of all worlds, reliable V8, goes anywhere and just keeps going! Practical in LWB form and will put a smile on your face every time you mash down the right foot. And I mean every time!
Spider1V
yeah I have to agree with you Jo on this one G500 is a good all round G wagon hands down, owned three of them.....lol
the g350td is my everyday with good fuel return though, if I was Driving the g500 everyday like my g350 then I would probably be filling every 5th day etc.
Apart from fuel, Yes g500 is the king of the road for all boxes!
p.s. Jo..... I've sinned again and bought a LAND ROVER-Range rover classic LSE..........ouch only for the weekends!
BLACK, 4.3 litre-v8 auto....I've got a soft spot for the 93-95 Long wheel base rangers! He he he
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