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Hi guys happy new year
Someone please post up the answers
g320 short wheel base. What year were these made until and were they straight 6 or v8. People tell me different things but i have not seen one to check
G55 were any short wheel base ever or only G500
G55 what engine and years were supercharged or were they all supercharged
Anyone compared a g500lwb and a g55 lwb for power and fuel economy. True figures that people achieve, i know the 55 has a lot more power but are they much faster for the fuel they use
Finally g350 cdi how well do they go compared to a standard om 606 or a 300 petrol
I would like a 55 but i dont think they do swb and if so they must be rare
Cheers guys
I'll have a go at the first bit and leave the V8's to someone else, the ge320 didn't make it to the UK unless it was a private LHD import, its engine was a straight 6 m104 unit with a twin cam 24v head. Nice engine but the looms were made of bio-degradable plastics and failed, crumbled, so in practice the earlier m103 engined ge300 is a better bet.
Gaz,
Only swb 500s no 55s unless someone dropped a amg 55 engine that was hanging around....into one.
Were not all 55 supercharged, again out of my knowledge?
Swb production stopped a lot earlier, best get searching for that elusive G500 swb Jap Import?
350 Cdi must be quicker unless 606 modded , though for extra price for 350 can't justify its advantages, don't seem to get great road test reviews but maybe they should drive my 603 for a dose of reality!
G55 SWBs do exist but only by special order therefore rare; not sure whether there are RHD G55 SWBs.
G55: non-supercharged from 1999 by special order, official introduction in 2001, from 2004 supercharged, from 2006 in RHD.
G500lwb vs G55 lwb: as you are interested in RHD only, I assume we compare the G55K (476 hp/ 5-speed/ from 2004) vs G500 M113 (295 hp/ 5-speed); both cars have theoretically a similar fuel consumption of around 15 mpg; however, actual fuel consumption varies massively with driving style; a G55K driven hard on the Autobahn delivers 7 mpg (but that is such a tedious exercise that nobody does it for longer than 30 minutes); the G500 matches the character of a G well, the G55K is loud, fast and rough around the edges, over time this might become the appeal of the G55.
G350 is faster than G300DT (606), G300DT shows fuel consumption of less than 20 mpg whilst G350 more like 23 mpg. Compared to G500/ G55K the fuel consumption is less dependent on the driving style as the engines do not encourage sporty driving.
G55 SWB/ high power levels in the G: the idea is better than reality; under acceleration the front wheels lose traction, therefore changes in direction under acceleration turn into interesting experiences as the car tends to ignore the change in direction; a SWB car will highlight this tendency as the shorter wheel-base makes the car less stable; in my opinion SWB makes most sense in the earlier cars as the engines are less powerful; a G280 SWB (pre 1990) weighs 1,830 kg compared to 2,600kg for the current G350; this translates into a power to weight ratio of 10.6 hp/kilo for the G350 (245 hp) compared to 11.7 for the 280 (156 hp); if you modify the 280 engine to 185 hp (standard non-G configuration), the power to weight ration drops to 9.9 hp/kilo; this will not translate into everyday performance or fuel consumption but raises the question whether all the gimmicks add to the appeal of the G (as a classic car).
...... in my opinion SWB makes most sense in the earlier cars as the engines are less powerful; a G280 SWB (pre 1990) weighs 1,830 kg compared to 2,600kg for the current G350; this translates into a power to weight ratio of 10.6 hp/kilo for the G350 (245 hp) compared to 11.7 for the 280 (156 hp); if you modify the 280 engine to 185 hp (standard non-G configuration), the power to weight ration drops to 9.9 hp/kilo; this will not translate into everyday performance or fuel consumption but raises the question whether all the gimmicks add to the appeal of the G (as a classic car).
maybe that should be 10.6 kg per hp (kg/hp) or 94 hp per tonne etc.
I think the SWB, G400 works well at 26 mpg at 105hp per tonne.
http://www3.mercedes-benz.com/e/cars/g-class/special04/content/g-class-catalog.pdf
Gaz
Give me till tomorrow night and i will see what i can do...
G320 from 94 had M104 24v straight 6 (M103 with a multi valve head)
swapped late 90's ish to G320 M112 18v (i think) deffo V6 - (3/4 of the M113 V8)
G55 was in SWB from memory and G55K but small numbers
M113.962 G500 nice quick 20mpg
M113.982 G55 v nice v quick 18mpg
M113.993 G55K v nice nutter quick 16mpg
All just gossip talk from owners not real to me experience... ;0)
G350 Bluetec runs around 210bhp from memory in stock trim and 35mpg
Will double check and come back with answers
Got a big weekend of G fettling so need some kip - 230 straight 4 power all the way ;0)
Gav
Right.. mid morning cuppa time...
Is that a flying pig i see carrying the holy grail whilst riding on a unicorn with a bag of rocking horse doo doo....
ALL SWB MODELS
G320 1994/1997 M104.996 In Line 6 -24 Valve LHD ONLY NO UK SPEC TRUCKS
463.208 - CABRIO - 148 MADE
463.230 -- WAGON - 1072 MADE
G320 1997/2007 M112.945 V6 - 18 Valve LHD ONLY NO UK SPEC TRUCKS
463.209 - CABRIO - 159 MADE
463.250 - CABRIO - 104 MADE
463.232 - WAGON - 403 MADE
463.244 - WAGON - 410 MADE
G500 1997/2008 (1998/1999 UK) M113.962 V8 - 24 Valve LHD/RHD
463.206 - CABRIO - 216 MADE - 19 RHD (2 UK)
463.254 - CABRIO - 299 MADE
463.240 - WAGON - 333 MADE - 45 RHD (7 UK)
463.247 - WAGON - 156 MADE
G500 2008/2011 M273.963 V8 - 24 Valve LHD ONLY NO UK SPEC TRUCKS
463.202 - CABRIO - 705 MADE
463.222 - WAGON - 165 MADE
These include some BA3 FINAL EDITION 200 SWB
G55AMG 1998/2005 M113.982 V8 - 24 Valve LHD ONLY NO UK SPEC TRUCKS
463.206 - CABRIO - 4 MADE
463.254 - CABRIO - 14 MADE
463.240 - WAGON - 2 MADE
463.247 - WAGON - 1 MADE
G55AMG Kompressor M113.993 V8 - 24 Valve NO SWB Built NO UK SPEC TRUCKS
G350 Bluetec 2010/2011 OM642.886 V6 - 24 Valve LHD ONLY NO UK SPEC TRUCKS
463.306 - CABRIO - 214 MADE
463.336 - WAGON - 320 MADE
These include some BA3 FINAL EDITION 200 SWB
So there you have it!!! A choice from G320/G500/G55/G55AMG/G350Bluetec of 9 SWB UK trucks!!!
And only 19 RHD Cabrio's and 45 RHD Wagon's WORLDWIDE...
Good Luck!!!
I know of a very nice clean Nautic Blue 300GE M103 RHD Japan import SWB that would look like your best option for a V8 conversion...
Yes the very late 90's ge320's would have had the V6 that also appeared in the SL, still don't think any made it to us in RHD format though. Conversion is impracticable because of cost and why would you want to sacrifice the simplicity of an early w463 for the unreliability and electronic fragility of a later car anyway. The 606a conversion for the diesel is a different proposition though as it offers torq, reliability and all round performance wrapped up in a non electronic package...can be pricey though
I have done the 606td conversion and its fine but i would like a newer g wagon for my sins
I have a 5.5amg bi turbo engine sitting around . I will fit it to my 190 but its longing to go in a g wagon. If i could afford a g63 i would buy one
Just need a swb mint japanese import. I missed one that looked like brand new underneath, it just depends where in japan they come from. If its by the sea they are good but not as mint as inland ones
But if it's a pre 500 G wagon isn't there a problem with gearing. The autos only have 4 gears and that's a huge amount of power.
I would convert to manual as i have machined a flywheel that will take a big clutch that will fit
Gearboxes are cheap ,even the later ones so if it eats one i would just buy another rather than rebuild it
My 1991 built 1993 registered ges300 is rust free and to be honest I'd only be curious of rust on an Eastern Europe import or one that's been used on the East coast of Scotland, in both instances because of salted roads.
G350 Bluetec runs around 210bhp from memory in stock trim and 35mpg
Make that 25mpg at best! Factory numbers (25mpg combined) are optimistic as ever.
I would convert to manual as i have machined a flywheel that will take a big clutch that will fit
Gearboxes are cheap ,even the later ones so if it eats one i would just buy another rather than rebuild it
It is a very complex conversion to get a modern engine with its various ECU's to work in a non CAN-BUS wired G Wagon. It is made even harder if you then delete the original auto box and try and get the engine management system to work without the required feedback from the gearbox ECU.
Unless you have a great deal of experience in modern auto electrics I think you would have a very hard time getting your engine transplant and manual gearbox to work in harmony.
Yes i know it will be difficult but i have done it before on a 430 mercedes and a 500clk and it was just selecting the wires from box to ecu and adapting them. The amg63 problem is the pin outs for the feed side of ecu the rest i can manage. I dont want to put a 12volt feed to a 5 volt sensor wire. That basically is my only worry as i dont want to damage my ecu. Obviously i dont want to supply a live feed to an earth or vice versa either
Im sure i will do it but i think i will use my 190e mercedes as a test vehicle to make sure all is ok as i need my g to be working and only off the road for a short while not weeks
i will keep you all posted
Gaz
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Thanks for the starter pm wales
Yes i thought they were a straight 6 but when he said v8 i was unsure. I thought smallest v 8 merc engine was a 350
The twin cam engine in an old 93 year ish e320 i presume is the engine in the g wagon ???. Yes good engine i agree totally
I used to service a merc 320 te estate and he did mega miles. Millionaire but loved his old mercs. I serviced it from about 197 k to 430k and then i went off engineering. I bet its still going and no engine repairs ever needed. Gearbox did have a hic up at 500k but it was nothing major
Come on guys i need some help from the rest, gavin,gordon adrian kevin scouse g etc etc or any one who has the info
Its hard to look up as there are many variants from other countries
I am only thinking rhd models not lhd
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