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Hey guys.

Does anybody have any experience with using engine treatment products for an old OM616?

 

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Not sure what you have in mind, but engine treatments such as "slick50" do not work and are a waste of money.

Just use good oil. 

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Yeah, that was kinda what I had in mind. Thanks for tip :)
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Yes, I don't know why it is still sold, but there were some tests done to show that the claims for Slick50 with PTFE molecules bonding to metal engine parts cannot happen in engine conditions. The goop does, however, help to clog-up the oil filter.

A good synthetic oil is all you need, really. Or even a quality mineral oil changed regularly.

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My treatment would be to remove it and fit a 617a..... ;-)
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Haha, good one ;) 

I am looking for a 617 but I need to have some rust done and so on before that's sensible 

 

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On a similar note I'm rebuilding a customers G which has a geriatric 617 which he wants to keep for the time being. I've done pump timing and tappets and fluids but the engine is coated with tar internally, has anyone recommends for a suitable engine flush/additive to clean it down then do an early oil change.

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Hi Gordon Pretty sure the guys who do my G (and loads of defenders etc in the High Peak) use Wynn's, but I'll ask to make sure as they only think one is any good and I'd hate to recollect the wrong one. If it's an severe case I'm pretty sure they dose the cylinders direct as well as dropping one in the tank. They also do the oil flush, always on a hot engine.. All that said... i'll check it is actually Wynn's they use. Ta Simon
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Hey Gord, your not too young urself ! :-) nowt wrong with a 617 and a 617a is a proper robust lump isn't it Simon ? Happy new year to all !
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Indeed.... and I had avery sorted 617 in mine before the 'a' upgrade :-) Going in for the pump mod in Feb :-) car happily pulls to 85mph on the flat - but feels much happier at 65-70 on the motorway.. (and I feel safer - I'd hate to pull a 30 year old G up from 85mph in a hurry... again!) Still thinking about rear seats as per Eddie - needamerc... but that will have to wait for the bodywork..... again!! sodding rust.. Best of the festive greetings to all. Ta
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Hi gord

Heres an article on engine treatment

Read into it at will

I have done 30 years on cars so i feel i know good from bad

We never offered an engine flush and fuel treatment in our service routine. We just wanted customers to return with no offers etc across the board

We did get customers telling us they used redex and wynns fuel treatment etc etc etc but the cars read no different from any other.Unless a round town 5 miles a day car ,,,, these were the worst obviously

Heres a turning point

A rep came in and said use our treatment and i will give you a demo

Yes ok and customer wanted the demo and we were all there to watch

An old fiesta xr2

First was an engine flush to remove carbon and engine oil contaminates etc

It did this in 20 minutes and sump and pick up was full of debris

It worked too well so all bad particles fell off and blocked strainer

Good for a rebuild though as engine is so clean

If it was a good engine thats not full of carbon i would gladly use it with no issues

Second

He used piston ring cleaner and carbon remover

Started at about 120 per cylinder, treated it and 175 to 190 psi

Good stuff but not needed for a diesel

It will start ok or its knackered my point of view. The treatment might make it start for a month but if its worn and low compression it wont start well for long

Best and 3rd one

I have myself used this treatment for this factor only

Fuel additive

Put a canfull in your diesel tank and see

I have a friend who is anal about mpg and he does the same run every day. He got 75 miles more per tankfill for about 5 months and then bought another can and same again

We had diesels fail smoke test for mot and we did not rev them to bits we advised customers to take them for a good hard run and we would re test emissions... If they failed we did add a can and all passed

We never had a fail unless it was a absolute heap that ad no chance anyway

I am no way involved with this product but i have used it myself and i do get better mpg for sure for about 4 months

Try some and let us all know if you see a difference for a little g wagon survey

The product is forte diesel fuel additive and all the other stuff they do i say works but would not need

                                                                G

 

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Hi G & Gord And as if by magic.. Forte is the right name of the stuff the guys who service my G use. So thanks for the timely memory Jog G.. They say all the other brands make no difference. If I recollect correctly they did some testing themselves of the before and after 'friction' effect the Forte made.. All a bit lost on me Im afraid. But suffice to say they are not the types who go on the 'marketing literature' All the best. Simon
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Good morning all, I had my GD 300 Teracleaned earlier this year, apparently it is a very hot pure fuel they put through and it supposed to decarbonise  the whole engine including the injectors, it defiantly reduced the emission test as they do it before and after, other than that no noticeable difference, it cost around £90 as I recall, it might be worth doing some research in to it. It's endorsed by Edd China from wheeler dealers. 

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DKRECON wrote:

Hey guys.

Does anybody have any experience with using engine treatment products for an old OM616?

 

Thanks

    why do you think your engine needs some sort of treatment ?

      to much smoke what colour / lack of performance /  or something else ?

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Hi.

It was just an idea I got. Thinking that a 30-years-old G Wagon would probably benefit from it. But if it doesn´t work then I guess it´s fruitless :)

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spike1 wrote:

Good morning all, I had my GD 300 Teracleaned earlier this year, apparently it is a very hot pure fuel they put through and it supposed to decarbonise  the whole engine including the injectors, it defiantly reduced the emission test as they do it before and after, other than that no noticeable difference, it cost around £90 as I recall, it might be worth doing some research in to it. It's endorsed by Edd China from wheeler dealers. 

 

if you run it for a while on Shell V-Power Diesel or BP Ultra etc; these are manufactured from a gas-to-liquid process and burn very cleanly (no sulphur etc, fewer or no heavy carbons etc). With the detergents that all fuels contain, after a while, they will clean the engine. They also provide a bit more power/mpg, so the extra cost is partly compensated. Having said that, I filled-up in France last week for 90p a litre. Hopefully, prices will come down in the UK, soon ?

 

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Anyone tried a Broquet catalyst in a 460?

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Hi Arnie Just to add another element for consideration, the guys who look after my G (mixture of Rally/Agriculture experience with lots of Defender mixed in) once told me to avoid 'clean' diesel for any length of time as to an extent the old Merc engines (especially the mechanical pumps) rely on the 'dirty' diesel to lubricate the parts as it is used in them. Obviously this relates more to the 460's with 617 series engines etc. Just a thought. As usual, nothing simple in the world of G's :-) All the best Simon