300GD Engine

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Hi to all, this is my first post in this forum. I found a link in www.mbnz.org forum for this one and I was quite happy to find a G forum closer to home. I’m not a G model owner but I might become one whit my father this weekend. I found one 300GD from 93, WDB 463.327.17 whit 190.000Km. I would like to know if this engine could survive same more Km. Since the car is so heavy I’m wondering if the engine will last? Any comments will be appreciated.
Thank you all Vasco Reis

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Welcome Vasco

Welcome to our/your forum.

I run a G similar to the one you're looking at 300 GD SWB (463.327). Mine has slightly less then 160,000 Kms and does not consume a drop of oil. I had it checked for compression and it was strong as new. In fact, if I had to rank the 463 series Gs engines for quality and durability, this would probably be the first in the list.

The OM603 engine (fitted to this car) was also fitted in exactly the same specification to the W124 saloon which is the model favoured by the majority of taxi owners/drivers in Germany a whole bunch of them in many other European countries. They routinely reach mileages in excess of the half million kilometres with just the sheduled services with no problems. In fact this engine has been converted by a number of users to turbo without major trouble, provided that is used with common sense.

I have never known any of this engines in standard form to die prematurely so provided that the car has been serviced properly -and do not take that for granted at face value- with 120,000 miles (or 190,000 Kms) the car in in its prime.

The car is very heavy and its performance is moderate. It also depends very much on whether its a fully loaded LWB Auto with chunky wheels or a basic SWB manual with narrow tyres. But I am sure that living in Portugal you would appreciate the diesel for being rather cheaper to run than the contemporary 230 or 300GEs.

I have to say that I am very pleased with my car and like I say if I wanted a car to blast on the motorway, I'd buy myself a nice 500GE, which go for about the same money as the contemporary GWagen.

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Thanks for the information, Jesús. If I’m not wrong we have already exchanged same posts in the other forum regarding import taxes in Portugal, its nice to meet you again.
This engine is also a favourite among the Portuguese taxi drivers; I could say it’s a legend. This makes me 2x more reassured; lots of knowledge mechanics and it will be easier to exchange the engine in case same thing goes wrong. It was serviced in Mercedes up to 2000 when it made 150.000Km so there is at least partial guarantee that was properly serviced.
The car as manual gearbox whit “chunky wheels”. Is there any advantage in fitting narrow tyres? I actually like better the look of the narrow iron wheels of the w460.
Diesel is cheaper but in top of my list is a 300GE to be fitted whit a LPG system, ½ price of diesel, 0,45€. Unfortunately if its difficult to find a 300GD, most are 240GD because of taxes its impossible to find a 300GE.
I’m planning to have a very close look at the car this weekend and if we don’t keep it at least ill take same photos and post them.

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There's a fellow countryman of yourself who is quite active in the US Benzworld GWagen forum who apparently has his 300GE for sale. Being a true enthusiast I would assume that his car is worth looking at -plus you don't have to worry about import taxes!.

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Let us know how that goes.

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Thanks for the tip; I am going to e-mail Mr Cruz to confirm the price, he is asking almost the double of the Diesel I’m checking this weekend. I never realized that the gasoline model would be so much more expensive, normally it’s the other way around.

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VCR wrote:
Thanks for the tip; I am going to e-mail Mr Cruz to confirm the price, he is asking almost the double of the Diesel I’m checking this weekend. I never realized that the gasoline model would be so much more expensive, normally it’s the other way around.

Vasco,

I don't quite understand. Rui's price is $ 19 k which is roughly equivalent to € 15,000. I think that this is a good price for a 93 300 GE, particularly considering that the car seems fully loaded (Air Conditioning, Sunroof, Running boards and Bull bar are all desirable options) and assuming a condition as good as one would expect from the car of a fellow enthusiast. I don't believe that you can find a W463 300 GD for a penny less than that in Portugal if the car is in comparable nick. You don't even get anything decent in germany for less than € 14,000.

Maybe the diesel G that you've been offered is a late W460 and not a W463. Then it would make sense because the going rate for a good late W460 300 GD might be in the region of those € 7,500.

Going back to how early- 463 diesel and petrol prices compare, you are quite right, diesels are normally pricier than the contemporary petrol but the differences are not as acute as for W460s.

Let us know how it goes.

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I have confirmed the price whit Rui, its 15.000€. I think it’s too much for a gasoline engine, I don’t believe he will be able to sell it in Portugal for that price, not even close. The Diesel that I’m checking it’s also fully loaded except for the sidebars and it’s definitely a 463. I have seen the chassis n.º. We couldn’t agree on the price this weekend, I will give it a try again in 1 to 2 months.
The correct price for a car is the price that same body is willing to pay and same body is wiling to sell. So if there is no one buying these cars for a long time I must assume that the price is too high, and that’s exactly what’s happening. As you know I’m looking around for quite same time and what I have seen in Portugal is that the 460 up to 5.000€ will sell very fast. The 463 above 10.000€ doesn’t sell so good, there are same 463 advertised for sale for over 18 months. So it just a question of time until the price readjusts. In Germany it seems also that the markets is changing.